Why EVERY Guitar Player Needs LEHLE On Their Pedalboard
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 15, 2024
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Okay. Welcome everybody. We are here for another episode of chairman of the boards. We are riding a little lower today in the Mazda Miata. We have a guest with us. Not to say that he is overweight. I would never go there, but we have one extra person in the Miata today. Joki from Lehle. This is going to prompt my first question and I'm not forgetting what company you're from, but I I've been waiting.
Uh, for weeks to ask someone right from the company, how do you pronounce the name? Is it? I've heard Lele, Leila, Lele. We need to straighten this out here and now, how do you say the company name? And then please introduce yourself, Joki, and chat a bit about yourself.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): All right. The company name is Lehle.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Lehle.
Lehle. Thank you. Lehle. Thank you.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): It was pretty good. Okay. , there's no eye or e or something. It's, it's sprayed Lile, but I, I've had this discussion a lot in, yeah, in, in UK or us. It's, I know it's pretty hard, but Yeah, it's Lile,
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Lele. Okay. Yeah. Thank you man. And, and what do you do at the company? How long have you been there?
Uh, why are you in the music industry? Uh, just any of that. A bit of your history would be great.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Okay. So, um, I am at Lele next year. It's 10 years. Um, yeah, the story was, uh, I was working after school. Uh, I was working in music shops and played in bands and did studio chop at life jobs. And then actually I was calling the company Lele to order a piece, a pedal for the shop I was working for.
And then Burkhardt Lele himself was on the phone And, uh, I asked him, why are you on the phone? Where's the support guy? And he said, Oh, this guy is gone. And I said, Whoa, okay. That's bad. And I said, yeah, that's a lot of stuff and a lot of work. And so. So I would do the job, but I'm living like six hours from you and said, you can do the job wherever you want.
And this was end of 2014. Uh, so yeah. And I said, let's meet. And a few weeks later we met and yeah, now it's, uh, uh, now I've been working nine, nine years, uh, in the home office and I never regret regretted it.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): So Burkhardt is, uh, he's ahead of his time in many ways. He was offering remote work before COVID.
Yeah. That's
Joki Schaller (Lehle): impressive. Yeah. So when, when COVID came up. So how does this work? I need to, to put on some clothes when I need some strategy in the morning. I said, I'm going to have to buy pants. I'm not so surprised. It's very good. Actually.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): That's
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): awesome. Oh, that's very cool, man. So cool. Cool. Uh, you are doing support then if I'm hearing like, if, if someone calls in to Lele and they have a question or they don't know what product is right for them, are they going to get you on the other end of the phone or email?
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Yes. Yes. Phone and email. So the basic idea was, um, to do the support shop at Lele. So I. Okay. Before I was working with Lele, I did also some, some rigs and pedal boards and stuff. And I also had with my band, I had always huge systems. So I, I know of about all those splitting products. And so, um, so yeah, I was doing the support and then it was, I think 2015 or 16, when I saw a picture in the internet from a guy using, a Lele pedal and the view was a big stadium.
I said, okay, who is this guy who is using our pedal actually? And it turned out it was Pete honoree, the, the, the video presenter from and at this time he was playing at, uh, Helene for Helene Fisher. She's a very, very huge artist in, in, in Germany and Europe. And I, I said to Brookhart, so Brookhart, there's this guy, uh, he's, he's playing huge stadiums with, uh, Helene Fischer.
And I said, we should do a covering. We should make some photos. And he said, yeah, we have a camera. I send it to you and you go to the show. And I said, okay, send it to me. So I got the camera and went to the stable and did some coverage from the guy. And And, uh, then it turned out, okay, someone has to do it to Facebook.
And he said, Oh, I don't like Facebook. Do you like Facebook? Yeah. I can do the job. Does anyone like
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Facebook
Joki Schaller (Lehle): at this time? It was yeah. However, I was able to operate in Facebook and let's call it. Yep. So, yeah, so I'm, I started to feed, uh, to feed the, the, uh, Facebook stuff. And at one time I was like, Hey, Instagram is going big.
There are a lot of Layla hashtags and we had no account. And he said, do it. And so I got more and more stuff to do at Layla. And I like to learn things. I like to work kind of self employed and, uh, yeah, that's, that's what I'm doing at Layla, but mostly I'm doing the tech support and also collect all the, the ideas for products.
So it's kind of product management and, yeah. Yeah. Very cool.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): I don't want to railroad this whole conversation. I'm going to leave some space here for Brian or Mason to chime in. I got a bunch of questions for you and I'll just keep going if I don't shut up early.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): No, you're good. Yeah, no, I, uh, I, Use your guys's stuff a lot on expressions and, um, the, the compact, I think it's the, it's the smaller.
I just did a recent quart cortex board and it was this, uh, cause I'm used to the full size volume pedal, but I'd use this much smaller, the volume. Yes, but it was for expression. It was two expressions. Yes. So it's the
Joki Schaller (Lehle): dual expression.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): Yeah. So it's a dual expression. And one thing I really love about, about it is the, how well it's thought out for like the Jackson stuff, just for like placement and stuff, because you'll get a lot of these companies where like, they'll stack stuff on top or the powers on the side.
And it's a, where it's a weird spot or there's all, it's just like, I've had people, they're like, I don't know which one to get. And I've always, always told them. I was like, well. You know, volume pedals don't need to be very confusing or expression pedals don't need to be super confusing. Like it's not like a pedal, but I will say this one that I just did was, it was so robust and it was compact and it was simple and it was a plug and play.
There wasn't any of that internal gut, you know, dip switch stuff I had to mess with. So I just love it. I think it's great. So I'm really excited to have you on the show today. Great. Thank you.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Yeah, I was, um, I was trying to think of the very first time that I tried a Lehle like volume pedal because I think at that point there was a lot of Ernie Ball.
I'm just thinking of like in the context of doing a pedal board setup. There's a lot of Ernie Ball volume pedals we saw in setups years ago. Uh, this would have probably been around Um, Man, maybe 2015, 2016, something like that. And Hilton and like a couple of these other volume pedals, some more boutique ones and all that.
And then someone sent in this mono volume pedal. It's like, what is this? And it didn't have a string. It didn't have a gear. It didn't have a mechanical kind of component that I was like, I, I, I give this two years of consistent use before it breaks, like that didn't exist on this unit. And so I was very curious right from the beginning.
And so I started looking into specs, started looking into how does it work? And I saw on your website, you guys, use something called a Hall sensor, which is over my head. I just know that it's not a moving part. And so, great. That ticks that box. It's not a reverb. And it's not a reverb. Exactly. And, uh, and so I was very impressed.
And there's a couple of brands out there that I have never once had a failure on that I use consistently. Chalks, power supplies is one of them. Also coincidentally, German. And No,
Joki Schaller (Lehle): stop,
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): stop. I think they're just from Denmark. Denmark. Sorry, guys. Denmark. Sorry. I don't know why I had Germany in my head for Chalks.
I take that back. I recant. Um, but Chalks is one of those companies I put on so many pedal boards. Never had an issue. Layla is another one of those companies. I put so many volume pedals, a lot of piece splits. I would say those are the most common ones that show up on, on setups that we do never had one go down and it just stands out as this product that is made so well.
And just doesn't seem to break no matter what happens. It just doesn't seem to break. And so that's largely in part why I wanted to chat even on the podcast. Like there's something about these products that is just a stand out and you guys are doing great things for the industry. Um, I don't really know how to frame that as a question, other than great job firstly to you guys at Lely.
But what is it from your perspective, like what is it that, uh, makes your product so robust, I guess? We could talk specifically about the Mono volume to start, but what from your opinion kind of stands out as one of the things that makes it, uh, one of the most robust volumes that I've experienced personally in the market today?
Joki Schaller (Lehle): This is a hard question because a, I'm not a engineer. I'm not the developer. Burkhard Lele himself is the developer, but, um, I think it's to, to, uh, it's think, I think it's to think of a specific. And to find out what this product should do and all this stuff needs to be forget. For example, you have a volume pedal and Burkhard thought, okay, a volume pedal needs to change the volume and not the tone.
That's it because it's a volume pedal and we needed to get rid of the mechanic and. And, and, and gear and all the stuff. So we needed to find a way how the thing can change the volume without any gear part whatsoever. And there, yeah, lots of electronics and, and, and stuff. But for example, the house sensor is in a, in a modern car, like, I don't know, a hundred times.
It's for, yeah, it's, it's for, if the seatbelt is connected, I think so. Or if someone is on the seat, if the door is closed, it's not mechanic mechanically. There are a lot of things. It's long lasting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because there is no mechanical friction. There's no gear. There's no string. Wow. And this is, and I think this is why this pedal, uh, and, and others work that way they should do and do not break as often as.
And so if I
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): understand it, there's, uh, there's a magnet and it's basically sensing the proximity of the magnet to the sensor, I guess, in very rudimentary terms.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): I was waiting for that question because this is why I have a pedal now here, so I can demonstrate. Okay, perfect. But we should, we should also, uh, take care of the, the listeners on the podcast.
So I have the pedal in hand. So in the top of the pedal, the part you're moving, there's the magnet. Here's the magnet. Wow. And in the bottom pedal, there is the sensor. And the sensor, the Hall sensor, measures the strength of the magnetic field. And this changes when you're moving the pedal actually. And this data, the Hall sensor gets, can be manipulated, converted into, uh, data.
We can control a VCA, a voltage controlled amplifier with, and this is how this, uh, things work. Oh,
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): very cool.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Does it just requires
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): aluminum then for the enclosure for that reason? So it doesn't interfere.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Yeah. But it's, um, it's also. Uh, so this is, uh, aluminum, the, the, the bigger ones, they are from steel.
And, um, I think the hall sensors we are using, they are some 3d sensors. They can measure in every direction, but that can also analyze. Or forget any, uh, strengths or interferences. So we can point it to the top only. So it's not interfering with anything else.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): That's awesome, man.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): It's over my head. That's very cool.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): Yeah, me too. At least you don't have to sell like strings, uh, string replacement kits. String replacements. Yeah, exactly.
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): Has anybody ever actually replaced a string, like on an Ernie Vol volume pedal? It is like, oh yeah. It's awful difficult. It's so hard. It's awful. It's hard. Like, I don't understand how they like the manufacturing of it just seems like it's, it would be very difficult.
Well, the most
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): frustrating part is that you, you look it up on YouTube, how to do it. And on the video, they make it look so easy. And then you try and do it yourself, like, I must just have something wrong in my head because I can't figure this thing out. And they just make you feel like an idiot because you can't do it.
But I'm very glad to hear that I'm not the only one. I just, it's one of those things I don't talk about because of pure shame. I just don't bring it up because I feel like I can't do it properly.
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): Joki, one thing I'm, I'm, I'm, uh, curious about, uh, and, and I noticed that on, on a lot of Lely products, including the, the, not only like the buffers, like the Sunday driver, but the volume pedals as well.
Um, it seems like Burkhard often chooses to use a higher input impedance for the buffers, two meg ohms in some cases. Um, however, there are some products like the Sunday Driver without the footswitch is a one meg ohm, and then I think it has like a switchable five meg input impedance. To five,
Joki Schaller (Lehle): yes.
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): What's his reasoning for choosing, um Higher input impedances as opposed to just like the straight one Meg that you would see on a guitar amplifier Do you can you give us any insight as to kind of the way that he?
I know that he would obviously be the best person But I noticed when I was you know looking through the the website when you get to a certain part It says ask Joki as like a like an actual prompt on the website Yeah. So, so you're, you're a trusted source, uh, uh, according to the website, you know, if everything else goes wrong and you can't figure it out, then they just ask you.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): I think. So when, when I would, would, uh, uh, ask Burkhard. Um, Hey, there's the guy who asked why we choose two Mac or five Mac or, uh, the switchable five Mac on it's, um, he would say he would find this as the best, most transparent input impedance for a lot of instruments. And when we develop input stages and stuff, we, we send a lot of products out and test with artists we have.
And yeah. We get the feedback that this is the most, uh, for us and for our reception, the most transparent impedance.
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): And is, do you think the higher input impedance is, is, uh, like the, when it goes to five, do you think that that's maybe more for like bass people that would be more in, or is that like why there's such a differential, let's say between like one and five megs is that, you know, cause in most, a lot of the bass gears is much more unloaded than guitar gear.
And so I was just wondering if that was, that's always kind of how I envisioned, like maybe the reasoning being. But, uh, I didn't know if there was some other reason that there was, you know, like a one meg offset and then a five meg one on the same product.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): I am not sure if I can, uh, answer this question because when, when, when I would switch, when I have a instrument and put it in, I would switch between the one mega ohm and five mega ohm and the customer feedback I get.
they say, I have no idea what it's doing at five mega ohm, but it feels the instrument is more transparent. And so, yeah, it's the, it's the higher input impedance. And we also know that the higher or sensitive the input stage is, the more noise you usually get in the whole circuit. And we are running, uh, for, uh, especially the, uh, Sunday driver two is running a third inside.
So it has a lot of headroom. And this is the reason why we can run it. at five mega ohm impedance without getting more audible noise, actually, of course it's measurable, but it's not audible. And this is the reason, um, I think we're offering this and also amps. They, they, they react completely different and sound different.
And this is what people could like, but I think the whole buffer, uh, topic is very much to a taste of people. And it's hard to. Um, to get technical specifications to listening habits or what people are used to, to match this. I think it's very difficult. And I know there are companies out there, they would say, okay, this is the perfect impedance and this is perfect with this and perfectly this.
And, and, or for example, the, the boost. Topic is the same. We need a more, more boost like this. We need a more linear boost, but they always change the tone in however. And we at Leda, we don't touch this topic. We say we have a signal and we want to convert it into a low impedance and it should sound the same when it's come, when it comes out.
So we don't want to change the tone. This is something other companies can do. If, if people want to.
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): Got it. Another question that I had is. I use your, your Lely P Split quite a bit. Yes. And I think that as far as any stand alone products for pedal boards and isolating, it's one of the best options out there.
I'm curious though, if there's any sense or if you can tell me whether, like, is this product typically considered to be an input transformer or an output transformer? And I ask this because, you know, there's, there are people that for the purposes of the pedal board will often want to put. the device on the board and then run it back to the amplifier.
And, and that's fine. And that's ordinarily what ends up happening with most of the integrated isolation transformers that might be inside a switcher or inside of a buffer unit of some type. But even in those cases, usually the transformer is at a bit of a compromise because it's really designed to be as close to the amp as possible and not.
You know, having 30 feet or, you know, more of cable that would be between it in the input of the amplifier. On the, on the P split, is that, is that the inception of the design? Would it be more effective at rejecting, let's say, any sort of, you know, noise, hum, um, buzzing closer to the input of the amp, or is it fine on the pedalboard?
You know, like what's, what's the optimal position for it based on the type of transformer that's in there?
Joki Schaller (Lehle): I'd say it doesn't matter because it's a one to one transformer. So what you send in and it's coming out, the, the, the coupling is very high. So if you send in a low impedance signal, low impedance, low impedance signal comes out. So, um, I'd say it doesn't make a difference.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): So you guys haven't obviously had, uh, uh, uh, again, going back to the vision or maybe not vision, that's too presumptuous.
Um, part of the purpose of the company of not changing the tone, like you were mentioning earlier. You obviously have a lot of people running these on their pedal boards, and I've seen even on videos on the website where people are running some of the Layla gear right back at the amps as well, and you would recommend as well.
Uh, being the support person, you could kind of do either or what's the question, sorry. So like you could run a piece, split and Mason is example. You could run the piece, split on the pedal board or the same signal chain. You could run it right back at the amp as well. Like it, it doesn't really matter from your experience in the support side.
And
Joki Schaller (Lehle): this is, this is maybe also why the piece doesn't get fully, I can't remember. We ever exchanged or replace the transformer or switch, uh, in the, in the, in the piece split because it's so simple. The, the input and the direct sockets, they are basically the same and the isolated socket is straight after the, uh, the transformer.
And yeah, so the only exception is that the case is grounded on the input side. So if you use it for isolating, for example, only, uh, you might consider using it in reverse because the case is then grounded on the other side. Depends on the application must be tried. Yeah.
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): You're saying you'd use it in reverse, meaning that you would use the other jack for the parallel jacks for the direct?
Joki Schaller (Lehle): No, I would use, um, I would use the isolated check, the ISO output as input and the direct input as output because in case the, uh, device must be grounded on the, Um, receiving address, you must put the device, uh, uh, use it in reverse.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Got it. Oh, and since it's one to one, that's not a problem.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. So for example, you're going out of your interface into, uh, into the P split and from the isolated output to an amplifier or. re-amplification purposes. Um, it could be that, um, the, the interface or DAW doesn't, uh, give you a proper grounding, but you also need to lift the ground between the computer and the amplifier.
So in this case, you need the ground lift. But you need to turn around the, or use the piece, but in reverse, because the, the housing, the pedal itself needs to be grounded at the amplifier. And that's why you would use it in reverse.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Oh, interesting. Very cool. You must, I mean, I get a little bit of insight into this with, uh, with my job, uh, on the support side as well with Goodwood stuff.
Yeah, I thought so. The, the amount of questions and scenarios that people come up with That you never thought of when you designed the products at the beginning. It's crazy what people like, Oh, I think I could actually use this in this obscure scenario. And then having to come up with support scenarios and testing, uh, their hypothesis and all that.
Like it's, it's crazy how creative people can be with some of this stuff. Absolutely. Is there anything in the last, I don't know, six months to a year or, or a standout question that you've gotten from a customer where they've used this gear and. a bit of a unique way that is still stuck in your memory?
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Actually not, no, no. But sometimes, what I think is interesting, I told you I'm working now since nine years at Layla, and sometimes people are asking, how can I solve this, this, this, and this problem? I said, it's not possible. And I said, okay, Maybe I need to think about for 2, 3, 4 hours. And then sometimes I, I came up, oh, maybe this and this.
Ah, okay, that's it. After nine years I came up with new ideas and it's, that's pretty funny. So it's like, uh, doing in school some logical tests or tricks to find out how, how things work. And so it's, uh, still a challenge often, and I, I like it a lot. Yeah.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): I love that man. Um, so we're going to stop here for a second, do a quick ad break.
I'm going to throw it over to Brian here and he's going to go through two of the sponsors that make the podcast possible.
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Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Grant. Awesome. Thanks, Brian. So Joki, obviously, uh, you're, you're working at Lele. You've been there for nine years.
Are you also, this is in pertaining to my question here, are you. Are you also still kind of playing guitar? Is that, would that be your main instrument? Are you bass player? Keys player? Like what, what are you actually doing in your own musical life? I guess you got like a rack
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): back there. You got a full fridge.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Yes. So, um, it, it, it probably started, uh, when I was, uh, Should we continue? He's he's gone. Yeah.
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): Yeah. He's just troubleshooting his mind. He's, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. So,
Joki Schaller (Lehle): um, yeah, so I, uh, I started, uh, the first class of school with recorder. It's called Recorder, right? Classic. Classic, yeah. You do it in the US as well,
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Oh, yeah. It's an underrated instrument. I think it's making a comeback. You guys watched 2025? Uh, I, I can't agree.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): So, yeah, I, I played this I think two years and I started playing keyboard then, but I. didn't want to do it. So later on, I think I was 13 or 14 years old. I was standing in front of a music shop and, and called my parents that I want that bass guitar. And they said, yeah, it's okay. It wasn't electric bass guitar.
They said, you have to learn a classic instrument. So I started to, uh, to learn the double bass. And after, I don't know, two years, maybe it was 15. Then I started to play chorus on the double bass and doing some green day stuff. And so they finally, finally bought me a double electric bass. And then the tourney started.
I, I got a, I got an electric guitar and I started playing drums and stuff. And I also took some piano lessons. And when I was 18, I started. Uh, in a, in a metal band and, um, we had no singer. So they asked me, Hey, if you could do that as a, okay, I try. And it was really, really bad. So I said, maybe you need to take some singing lessons.
So I took some classical singing lessons, which was awesome, by the way. And yeah, so I think, um, based on the years I played an instrument, guitar is my main instrument. Good man. Yeah. Yeah. So, but, uh, yeah, you see a lot of MIDI control, uh, keyboards there and all the good synthesizer stuff is somewhere in the cases.
And yeah. Yeah, I'm a collector of gear. So
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): that's awesome, man. So do you, uh, do you have a pedal board for electric guitar right now? Set up? No,
Joki Schaller (Lehle): no, no, I don't have, because I'm not playing in a band since years. So, um, um, no, I don't have a pedal board, but if I would have, I would have a MIDI controller and all put all the stuff into the rack.
Oh, nice. What kind
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): of, uh, what kind of Lele gear are you going to grab for your, your next rig and how would you use it?
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Cool. I would probably use a lot of the isolating products because I would probably use two or three amps at the same time. Yep. Fair enough.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): Nice.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): And to isolate all the stuff. So, but back at the time when I played in a metal band, I had two amps, like, uh, I had to do a rectifier for the, for the, uh, distorting sounds.
And, uh, a clean amplified was a mixture between a chess chorus and a fender twin. It looked like a fender twin, but sounded like a, a chess chorus. It was from the company Pearl, and they built in the, I think it was from the eighties, nineties. They, they copied a lot of stuff and built those amplifiers. Was it too bad?
And it was, no, it was a transistor, the jazz course
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): as tall as it saw the state. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. It,
Joki Schaller (Lehle): it, it, it's, it sounds like a jazz chorus, so it's transistor, but, um, it looks like a. Fender Twin. So I was switching between the rectifier and the clean amp, and when the other guitarist started doing some layover guitars or solo stuff, I activated also a, what was it, a Pod XT Pro from Line 6.
And I sent this signal also to the main system with a 20 milliseconds delay on it. So there's a lot of isolating stuff I would need for my setup. Yeah,
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): that's quite the r That's crazy.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Yeah. Yeah. I love that. So, so what kind of music
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): is Burkhard into? Is he, uh, is he a metal guy?
Joki Schaller (Lehle): No, no. I think he, he came, he comes from a, from a more progressive music in the past and, but also blues music and I think he loves, uh.
I think so. Yeah. And we sometimes listen to Johnny Cash and old man's music.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Love it. It's a whole range. You guys are going from, uh, in the company from hardcore to Johnny Cash. I mean, you're covering a
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): lot
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): of bases. Yeah. Now the real question is in Germany or even in the company, are you guys listening to, uh, country at all or is country strictly forbidden?
You can be honest. This is a safe space. No, it's, it's not forbidden. Hmm. Hmm.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): But close. Do we have a red car system? No, no, of course everyone can listen to the music he or she wants to. So, um, um, but, uh, but I think, uh, I think in Europe, We, we think country music is something different you have, and you would say to country music in the U. S., right?
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Probably. Well, I mean, it's changed a lot into pop over the last, you know, 10, 15 years.
I
Joki Schaller (Lehle): had the feeling country gets more to pop music. Yeah. Is it right? Yeah. Yeah.
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): Very, very much. So then what is country music in, is it more polka? Is that like the true country music? Or Johnny Cash, like you mentioned before? Oh no, I
Joki Schaller (Lehle): thought you were talking about U. S. country music because we listen to U. S.
country music, but here in Germany, um, that the country music would, the roots music would be Volksmusik, so the music of the, the, I don't know, the people, but no.
And there's something like, like, uh, the, the, the, the Schlager music and it's, it's, uh, also music, uh, I personally don't like, uh, but it gets, it's very popular and would be, I must be careful what I'm saying, but maybe something like, um, Taylor Swift. And so the very, very popular. So
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): if you're going down to the local pub and grabbing a stein of beer, what, what music is playing in the background?
Sorry? If you're going to the pub, what music is in the background? If you're going to like a typical German pub, what will you most likely hear playing in the background there?
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Oh, that's, that's a good question. Um, I think some typical rock music, so Bon Jovi, and I don't know.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): I guess Bon Jovi is like Bon Jovi in any pub around the world is going to get people in the mood.
Isn't it? People are going to order their next round of Bon Jovi comes on. Yeah. Yeah. It's a universal truth. Yeah. Something from
Joki Schaller (Lehle): my mail. And yeah. Final countdown and all the stuff.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): I have one question, then I'll throw it over to Brian, uh, Brian or Mason here for a question, but it sounds like you alluded to this early on in our conversation today that you would go to a show and do something similar to like, you know, a premier guitar rig rundown.
It sounds like you're doing something similar. Uh, you know, with people that are using Lele products. Is that something, firstly, is that something that you do, you know, a decent amount of? You'll go to shows and see how people are using, how artists are using their gig or their gear. And secondly, do you have any favorite kind of rig run throughs that you've done with artists that you can walk us through and talk to us about?
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Okay. So first question. Yes, I'm, I'm going to visit artists, um, but I'd say at Lele. Okay. We are doing, we are developing, producing and selling products. And, um, all the stuff around is more a add on. So we, we don't want to focus too much on all the stuff around. Um, because there's loads of very, very good.
and also not very good video stuff in the internet. Someone can watch and they are, they probably have way more expertise than, than we have. And, uh, so, but for covering our social media channels and sometimes YouTube channel, I'm going to the concert and visit the artists and talk with them, but I'd say I'd focus more on short clips, like two minutes or three minutes for the Instagram channels, because that's, that's the amount we can make.
And, uh, I think it's, uh, highly appreciated from our customers. Yes.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): Nice.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): And the second question was, which rig rundown I made was the most.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Well, kind of like what was one of, what was a standout for you? One of your favorites that you've done or an art, maybe an artist that you always listened to and you got to do, uh, do this, you know, for work and do kind of a rig run through or, or something with them.
Um, I,
Joki Schaller (Lehle): I saw Gojira last year. And I wanted to visit them earlier, but then I was, uh, I had COVID and then, uh, I took the chance and went to Vienna in Austria. And um, I already was in contact with a, with a production manager for years. And but I went, I took the chance and went to Vienna. And I visited them in the afternoon and only talked to the, to the, to the tech guys.
And it was amazing. And because, because the, uh, I'm very sorry, but I forgot his name. He came from, I think Sweden. And he showed me all the Lele gear he had around and pulled down a draw and I said, here's more isolating devices. And there in the rack is one more. And it was, it was really fantastic. But, but very great was that in the evening I was at the show and I was so overwhelmed.
It was, was fantastic. So everyone listening to the podcast or seeing here, uh, us, um, there's a Rick run, a Rick run down. I took, I took my iPhone and, and, and shoot it. So there's this, there's a short video from Gojira. Uh, and this was, was really great. Yeah. I liked the show a lot was one of the best shows I have ever been.
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): Wow. So cool, man. Yeah. Perks of the job. Hey, getting to go to a show.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Currently, I think they're on tour with Korn right now in the U S.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): Oh, oh, yes. I, funny enough, I'm about the, one of my clients is on that tour. He plays in the band spirit box. Ah, yeah. That's right. Yeah. Support.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Yeah.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): Yeah. Yeah. So I'm actually driving three hours north of where I am to go hang out with them for that show.
So that's great to hear that connection. That's very cool. Enjoy the show. You can ask
Grant Klassen (Goodwood Audio): to see the cupboard of Leila gear. Just like, show me.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): Yeah. I know. I mean, I'm excited to, to geek out on gear. That's for sure. I do have a question. I was looking on your website. So my, you know, my main thing I've ever really messed with is the expressions and volume pedals.
I've never really messed with the P Split or these other devices that you have. But one of them that caught me is the Little Lely. The three. I see. Which is really convenient. You guys have little like diagrams of what they do. Can you in a nutshell kinda explain what exactly like, is it an AB box? 'cause I see one picture is two guitars and amp.
What's the purpose of it? Because yeah,
Joki Schaller (Lehle): the purpose of the Little Lehle is, yeah, it's an uh, effect. Super, basically.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): Oh, okay. Um,
Joki Schaller (Lehle): so you have an input. And you have an output and in between there's a send and return so you can put in an effects pedal and put the effects pedal or the chain of effects pedal in and out.
But you can also only use the input and the send and the output. So you have an AB switcher and the little Lily also switches the ground on the output side so you can switch between two amplifiers and you don't need Uh, an additional isolation because it's, yeah, it switches the grounds, but you can also use it as an AB input switcher.
So you have two sources or two, uh, wireless systems whatsoever. You can put into the input, the return and the output, and then you can switch between the two sources to one output.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): Nice. Okay. So, and I'm assuming that means you, because the FX, you could use it almost like a bypass looper too. Like if you want to engage.
Yes. It's a true bypass
Joki Schaller (Lehle): looper. Yes.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): Very cool. Yeah, I saw that and I've seen some of the other stuff. I've seen the A, the A, the A B, like I've seen a bunch of these pedals before. I've never had them come through, like I said, the volume expression, but that one caught my eye. I really liked the P split.
That's one of them. What come in handy on some of these rack. I have three rack builds that I'm in them about to start doing for some clients And there's a bunch of that kind of splitting and stuff. So I It's good to know that there is something out there that can handle that type of isolation as yeah, you've said that The, the bands are using that.
That's really cool. Thank you for explaining it. I was, I saw the, the little Lele and I was like, I was like, that's really cool. And I was looking at the different diagrams of what it can do. So I just wanted some clarification. So that's cool. Thank you so much. You
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): get the stereo piece split, Brian. That's, that's the one that I think is, is cool.
Cause I've always, I've always used the piece split, but the stereo piece split can go three amps. And then you have polarity and, and, uh, is it pull you have polarity and then you have a lift ground left on both
Joki Schaller (Lehle): sides. Yeah. Yeah.
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): Yeah. Yeah. So the
Joki Schaller (Lehle): piece, but it was, uh, the, the stereo piece, piece split has been.
A wish from customers, respectively. A lot of products we have in our range are wishes from customers. We get a lot of input and we think about if, if that, if this would work or not, because we need to have the turnover of a product as well. Um, but yeah, the P-Split stereo is something from customer came.
So, because a lot of systems these days run in stereo. because due to all the more small amplifiers you can use and stage or the stereo modeling systems and so on. And, but as Mason said, there's a You can use it for 3Ms actually, if you don't connect the second input. So it patches internally to the second half.
Uh, so you have, uh, three outputs and two of them are isolated by the transformer. So you can run 3Ms at the same time.
Brian Omilion (Omilion Audio): Yeah, that's cool. I like also like how, how small it is. A lot of, like, a lot of times you'll get units where they're like, they're really tall or they're really chunky and like the, the level of it at all.
It's really comes in handy for like underneath a board. If you had to put it, if you were splitting out the three boards, like it's obviously it doesn't have to only be a rack or something, but like, especially nowadays, so, so many people correlate space, extra space on their board with, uh, I need extra gear.
And sometimes that's not always the case, but, uh, I'm not saying don't buy extra gear, but it's just one of those, it's just one of those things that it's really cool that it's, it can go on nice. That's really cool. Yeah. I need a snag one and mess with them.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Yeah. It's actually pretty big in terms of width.
So it's, it's, Oh, that's not bad. So this is the, here's the standard piece split and this is the, um, Oh, nice. Stereo version, yeah. Very cool. So, um, it's pretty heavy.
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): Robust. Well, you got two transformers in there, right? Because you need one for each side.
Joki Schaller (Lehle): Yeah,
Mason Marangella (Vertex Effects): that's cool. I think it's a convenient thing. Have you guys ever considered getting int
